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3 Faithful and True who tears the heaven

3 Who are the 24 elders?

by aparke 2023. 12. 17.
      Who are the 24 elders?
View 1: They are angels. View 2: They are martyr witnesses.
Rev.5:13 I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion, forever and ever! Amen."
Rev.5:14 The four living creatures said, "Amen!" The elders fell down and worshiped.
 Even before the 1st resurrection occurs with the 7th trumpet[1], the 24 elders fall down around the throne and worship the LORD Jesus. This means that these are not people who have been resurrected or transformed. The only creatures that the Creator gave free will, are angels and humans. Since these are not humans, they must be angels. Just as there are 'cherubim' and 'seraphim' among angels[2], there may also be 'elders'. Or elder does not mean different kinds of angels such as cherub or seraph, but may be a word that means an 'office' such as the 'archangel'.[3]
 Even before the 1st resurrection takes place, these 24 elders sit on the throne[4] and worship the Creator with the cherubim.[5] The 24 elders also have musical instruments and golden bowls with the cherubim.[6] The instrument used for worship was also given to the cherub angel, Helel[7], and the golden bowls are also entrusted to the angels.[8] The 24 elders are often mentioned[9] together with the throne and the 4 living creatures[10], and worship the LORD Jesus together with the 4 living creatures and many angels surround the throne.[11] In view of this, the 24 elders, if not as high[12] as the cherubim[13], would be angels in a high position.
 As Gabriel explained to Daniel about the 70-weeks[14], the elder explains to John about those in white robes.[15] Explaining and convincing people is what angels usually do.[16]
 The office of elder is not an office applicable to angels, but an office granted to humans.[17] John did not see the elders in the heaven of angels at that time and hear from them what would happen next, but he saw the elders in the fulfilled 1000-year kingdom and heard from them what would happen until the 1000-year kingdom was fulfilled. In other words, since John did not see the future from the present, but from the future to the present, the 24 elders that John sees can be priests who have been resurrected or transformed and are reigning in the 1000-year kingdom. Whether John saw not all of the martyr witnesses but only the 24 priests, or whether he saw the 24 elders, a symbol of the royal priesthood, anyway, the 24 elders are resurrected bride, the martyr witnesses. As proof of that, they wear a crown[18] that only the victors can wear.[19] Angels who did not have to go through suffering[20] cannot be crowned.[21]
 Explaining and making people understand is not only done by angels, but also by humans.[22] Rather, it is mainly done by humans[23] rather than angels.[24]
View 3: These are people before Adam who were created together with the angels in the heaven of angels.
 I ignore this view because it is absurd. The purpose God created Adam is to prove through Adam that the claim of Satan fraudswarms who are confined in Hades, is false.[25] It means that there is no need for Adam to be placed in the heaven of angels even before the angels fall. Since the Son created Adam to come to Hades as Adam[26] as the Seed of a woman[27], there is no reason for Adam to have to be in the heaven of angels from the beginning.


[1] Rev.5:4 And I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open the book, or to look in it. One of the elders said to me, "Don't weep. Behold, the Lion who is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome; he who opens the book and its seven seals."

[2] Is.6:2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each one had six wings. With two he covered his face. With two he covered his feet. With two he flew.

[3] Jude1:9 But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

[4] Rev.4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones. On the thrones were twenty-four elders sitting, dressed in white garments, with crowns of gold on their heads.

[5] Rev.4:8 The four living creatures, having each one of them six wings, are full of eyes around about and within. They have no rest day and night, saying, "Holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come!" When the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to him who sits on the throne, to him who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives forever and ever, and throw their crowns before the throne, saying, "Worthy are you, our Lord and our God, the Holy One, to receive the glory, the honor, and the power, for you created all things, and because of your desire they existed, and were created!"

[6] Rev.5:8 Now when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

[7] Ezek.28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the emerald, and gold: the workmanship of your tambourines and of your pipes was in you; in the day that you were created they were prepared.

[8] Rev.15:7 One of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.

[9] Rev.14:3 They sing a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the one hundred forty-four thousand, those who had been redeemed out of the earth.

[10] Rev.19:4 The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne, saying, "Amen! Hallelujah!"

[11] Rev.5:11 I saw, and I heard something like a voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousands of ten thousands, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb who has been killed to receive the power, riches, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing!" I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion, forever and ever! Amen." The four living creatures said, "Amen!" The elders fell down and worshiped.

[12] Jude1:9 But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

[13] Ezek.28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the emerald, and gold: the workmanship of your tambourines and of your pipes was in you; in the day that you were created they were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers: and I set you, [so that] you were on the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

[14] Dan.9:21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening offering. He instructed me, and talked with me, and said, Daniel, I am now come forth to give you wisdom and understanding. At the beginning of your petitions the commandment went forth, and I am come to tell you; for you are greatly beloved: therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision.

[15] Rev.7:13 One of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and where did they come from?" I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great oppression. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood.

[16] Zech.1:8 "I had a vision in the night, and, behold, a man riding on a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in a ravine; and behind him there were red, brown, and white horses. Then I asked, 'My lord, what are these?'" The angel who talked with me said to me, "I will show you what these are."

[17] 1Pet.5:1 I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and who will also share in the glory that will be revealed.

[18] Rev.4:10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives forever and ever, and throw their crowns before the throne, saying,

[19] Rev.2:10 Don't be afraid of the things which you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested; and you will have oppression for ten days. Be faithful to death, and I will give you the crown of life.

[20] Rom.8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.

[21] Heb.2:5 For he didn't subject the world to come, whereof we speak, to angels.

[22] Deut.6:7 and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.

  Acts15:35 But Paul and Barnabas stayed in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

[23] Acts10:4 He, fastening his eyes on him, and being frightened, said, "What is it, Lord?" He said to him, "Your prayers and your gifts to the needy have gone up for a memorial before God. Now send men to Joppa, and get Simon, who is surnamed Peter.

[24] Amos3:7 Surely the Lord Yahweh will do nothing, Unless he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.

[25] Job1:9 Then Satan answered Yahweh, and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? Haven't you made a hedge around him, and around his house, and around all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will renounce you to your face."

[26] Gen.3:14 Yahweh God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above every animal of the field. On your belly shall you go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel."

[27] 1Cor.15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.https://youtu.be/AupisuARmgQ?feature=shared

 

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