Are future overcomers who will overcome the beasts also harmed by locusts? | |
=Can there be a sealing on the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit other than the 144000 firstfruits? | |
Premise1: The overcomers are the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit who comes as the early rain, and the sealed 144000 who are redeemed from among men, are the firstfruits who received God the Holy Spirit who comes even as the latter rain. Premise2: Only 144000 receive the seal to be the firstfruits who are redeemed from among men. Premise3: It is assumed that the 4 angels holding the 4 winds (or the 4 winds themselves) that appear after the 6th seal is broken, and the 4 angels of Euphrates who are released from their bonds after the 6th trumpet is sounded, refer to the same type of angels who raise the beasts. |
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When the Lamb breaks the 6th seal, the seal is sealed[1], and when the 5th angel sounds the trumpet, locusts come out from the abyss and harm the unsealed.[2] The beasts rise after the 6th trumpet is sounded and the 4 angels of Euphrates are released.[3] The 144000 are the firstfruits who are redeemed from among men[4], and the future overcomers who will overcome the beasts are the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit.[5] After breaking the 6th seal, only the 144000 firstfruits are sealed.[6] Then, aren't the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, sealed? After the 6th seal is broken, only the scene where the 144000 firstfruits are sealed is shown, and the scene where the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are sealed is not shown. However, since God the Holy Spirit is basically the seal of the saints[7], it cannot be said that the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are not sealed just because the scene of the sealing did not appear. If this seal on the 144000 means the seal that makes the sealed saints avoid tribulation, then only the sealed 144000 will avoid tribulation. Although God the Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation for both the 144000 firstfruits and the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit[8], it can be seen that God the Holy Spirit becomes the seal of escaping even tribulation only to the sealed firstfruits. The sealed 144000 will certainly avoid the harm of locusts.[9] Then, will the locusts which only harm the unsealed, harm the future overcomers who will overcome the beasts?[10] If only the 144000 can avoid the harm of locusts, even the overcomers who will overcome the beasts, may suffer from scorpion torment which cannot die at this time for 5 months. Although these saints did not receive the seal that the 144000 firstfruits have received, these are those who have the firstfruits of the Spirit. The saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are also those who are basically sealed with God the Holy Spirit and they are future overcomers who will overcome the beasts. The saints who are sealed with God the Holy Spirit, are still avoiding suffering.[11] |
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Rev.6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come and see!" And behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a balance in his hand. Rev.6:6 I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A choenix of wheat for a denarius, and three choenix of barley for a denarius! Don't damage the oil and the wine!" |
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The olive oil and the wine can avoid only famine. The fact that the famine can be avoided does not guarantee that even the harm of locusts will be avoided. Just because we received the guarantee of salvation, we cannot say that we will be able to avoid even tribulation. | It is commanded not to harm the olive oil and the wine. After the Lamb breaks the 6th seal, the 144000 are sealed. At this time, it is before the breaking of the 6th seal, so there is no seal itself that enables the saints to avoid the tribulation to come. There are saints who are protected even before being sealed. Therefore, the saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, will also be protected. |
Rev.7:2 I saw another angel ascend from the sunrise, having the seal of the living God. He cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to harm the earth and the sea, Rev.7:3 saying, "Don't harm the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, until we have sealed the bondservants of our God on their foreheads!" Rev.7:4 I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel: |
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If the unsealed who will overcome the beasts in the future, will also avoid the harm of locusts that will harm only the unsealed, then why would God make a distinction between the sealed and the unsealed? | The fact that locusts harm only the unsealed, does not mean that they will harm all the unsealed who have not been sealed like the 144000. Although they did not receive the seal that was given only to the 144000, the saints who are overcoming the beast in this present age, are also sealed with God the Holy Spirit who is coming as the early rain. And they will also avoid harm from locusts. |
Rev.11:1 A reed like a rod was given to me. Someone said, "Rise, and measure God's temple, and the altar, and those who worship in it. Rev.11:2 Leave out the court which is outside of the temple, and don't measure it, for it has been given to the gentiles. They will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months. Rev.11:3 I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. |
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Even if God protects those who are within the measure from the persecution of the beasts, the measure of those who worship in the temple is only accomplished after the 6th trumpet is sounded. The time when the locusts do harm is when the 5th trumpet is sounded. It means that the harm of locusts has already passed when the measure is made. The measure has not been done yet, God will not protect the saints who have not received the seal that the 144000 are received, as He protects them after the measure. Even the saints who will be measured as true worshipers in the temple after the 6th trumpet is sounded, unless they are not the sealed 144000, they will not be able to avoid the harm of locusts that will come out from the abyss at the time of the 5th trumpet. They are not killed by the locusts. They only suffer.[12] Therefore, future overcomers will not be in a situation where they cannot fight the beasts just because they are harmed by the locusts. Even if they have been harmed by the locusts, they will fight and overcome the beasts that will come out after the 6th trumpet is sounded. For them, the harm of locusts will be just a refinement.[13] |
Those who are harmed by the locusts are those who are in the courtyard outside the temple. Those who will overcome the beast in the future, must be living a life of overcoming the beast even in their present time. Therefore, these too, like the 144000 firstfruits, must be showing their faith in serving the LORD Jesus in the temple. Therefore, they will also be within the range of the measure and will be able to avoid the harm of locusts. In 'the temple, the altar, and the worshipers' which is said to be measured, the 'altar' refers to the golden altar of incense in the temple.[14] There is a golden altar of incense inside the temple and a bronze altar of burnt offering in the courtyard outside the temple. Since the measure only applies to the temple and not the courtyard[15], this altar must be a golden altar of incense. Although the measure begins after the 6th trumpet is sounded, it is presumed that those who worship God in the temple may have already avoided the harm of locusts at the time of the 5th trumpet. Their protection would have already started before the measure. |
Rev.3:10 Because you kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that which is to come on the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. | |
(Assuming that the 1st half of the 70th week is the 42 months of the reign of the beast that will appear after the 6th trumpet is sounded, and the 2nd half of the 70th week is the period of pouring out the 7 plagues after the 7th trumpet is sounded,) Does the promise to keep from the hour of testing mean that the LORD Jesus will save us from the 7 plagues in the 2nd half of the 70th week by the 1st resurrection? Or does it mean that He will save us from the persecution of the beast in the 1st half of the 70th week through the prepared place? Or does it mean that He will save us even from the harm of locusts at the time of the 5th trumpet? We cannot claim. In other words, it cannot be affirmed that the hour of testing which the LORD Jesus promises to keep from, also includes the time when the locusts do harm.[16] | Those who keep the word of patience, will be kept from the hour of testing. The 144000 firstfruits are not the only ones who keep the word of patience. The saints who have the firstfruits of the Spirit who will overcome the beasts in the future, are also martyr witnesses and those who keep the word of patience in their present time. Therefore, they too will be kept from the hour of testing. I believe that this hour of testing includes not only the 7 plagues, but also the persecution of the beasts and all the tribulation that preceded it.[17] Christians may share in the sufferings of Christ for glory.[18] But the harm of locusts which only the unsealed will be harmed from, is not the sufferings for the sake of Christ. |
[1] Rev.6:12 I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became as blood. The stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when it is shaken by a great wind. The sky was removed like a scroll when it is rolled up. Every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[2] Rev.9:1 The fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from the sky fallen to the earth. The key to the pit of the abyss was given to him.
[3] Rev.9:12 The first woe is past. Behold, there are still two woes coming after this. The sixth angel sounded. I heard a voice from the horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the sixth angel who had one trumpet, "Free the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates!" The four angels were freed who had been prepared for that hour and day and month and year, so that they would kill one third of mankind.
[4] Rev.14:3 They sing a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the one hundred forty-four thousand, those who had been redeemed out of the earth. These are those who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed by Jesus from among men, the first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
[5] Rom.8:23 Not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for adoption, the redemption of our body.
[6] Rev.7:3 saying, "Don't harm the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, until we have sealed the bondservants of our God on their foreheads!" I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
[7] Eph.1:13 in whom you also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation, -- in whom, having also believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
[8] Eph.4:30 Don't grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
[9] Rev.9:4 They were told that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those men who don't have God's seal on their foreheads.
[10] Rev.9:5 They were given power not to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion, when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death, and will in no way find it. They will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
[11] Matt.12:28 But if I by the Spirit of God cast out demons, then the Kingdom of God has come on you.
[12] Rev.9:5 They were given power not to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion, when it strikes a man.
[13] Dan.12:10 Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but those who are wise shall understand.
[14] Luke1:10 The whole multitude of the people were praying outside at the hour of incense. An angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
[15] Rev.11:1 A reed like a rod was given to me. Someone said, "Rise, and measure God's temple, and the altar, and those who worship in it. Leave out the court which is outside of the temple, and don't measure it, for it has been given to the gentiles. They will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.
[16] 1Pet.4:12 Beloved, don't be astonished at the fiery trial which has come upon you, to test you, as though a strange thing happened to you. But because you are partakers of Christ's sufferings, rejoice; that at the revelation of his glory also you may rejoice with exceeding joy.
Acts14:22 confirming the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into the Kingdom of God.
[17] 2Pet.2:9 the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment;
Ps.121:7 Yahweh will keep you from all evil. He will keep your soul.
[18] Rom.8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.https://youtu.be/AupisuARmgQ?feature=shared
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