| Can a martyr witness not be the bride? | |||||
| ≒ Are there grades in the spiritual bodies? | |||||
| Premise1: Only the martyr witnesses are clothed with the spiritual body. [white robe = fine linen = resurrected or transformed body = spiritual body = martyr witness] Premise2: We only think about the resurrection that is raised in a spiritual body, that is, the 1st resurrection that will never die again. We don't think about the resurrection of being raised in a soulish body, that is, the resurrection of verification in which one can die again. In other words, there is no discussion of the resurrection of the criminal in paradise. |
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| View 1: martyr witness ≠ bride | View 2: martyr witness = bride | ||||
| =Even if we are clothed with the spiritual body and are invited to the wedding of the Lamb, we may not be the bride. [Those who are invited to the wedding ≠ bride] =Even if we are a martyr witness, we may not be the bride. =Even if we can enter new Jerusalem, we may not be the bride. |
=All those who are invited to the wedding of the Lamb being clothed with the spiritual body, are the bride of the Lamb. [Those who are invited to the wedding = bride] =All the martyr witnesses are the bride of the Lamb. =If we can enter new Jerusalem, we are all the bride. |
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| Rev.7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, Of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. Rev.7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands. Rev.7:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation be to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" Rev.7:13 One of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and where did they come from?" Rev.7:14 I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great oppression. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood. Rev.7:15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, they serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. Rev.7:16 They will never be hungry, neither thirsty any more; neither will the sun beat on them, nor any heat; Rev.7:17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shepherds them, and leads them to living springs of waters. God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." |
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| The great multitude which no one can number, are those who will come out of the great tribulation and enter the 1000-year kingdom, namely, the martyr witnesses who are resurrected or transformed. They are dressed in white robes, the resurrected or transformed body, the spiritual body, but they may not be the bride. These may be guests at the wedding feast. Only those who are clothed with the bright clean fine linen may be the bride. It means that the white robe may be different from the bright clean fine linen. If the white robes worn by the great multitude are also the spiritual bodies, it may mean that there are grades between the spiritual body worn by the guests and the spiritual body worn by the bride.[1] | A great multitude dressed in white robe can also stand before the throne of new Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is the bride[2], and only the bride will rule the 1000-year kingdom as royal priests in new Jerusalem.[3] The meaning that the great multitude can enter New Jerusalem[4], the bride, means that the great multitude is also the bride. | ||||
| Rev.7:13 One of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and where did they come from?" Rev.7:14 I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great oppression. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood. Rev.19:7 Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and let us give the glory to him. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready." Rev.19:8 It was given to her that she would array herself in bright, pure, fine linen: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Rev.19:9 He said to me, "Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'" He said to me, "These are true words of God." Rev.19:11 I saw the heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it is called Faithful and True. In righteousness he judges and makes war. Rev.19:14 The armies which are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in white, pure, fine linen. |
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| The fine linen worn by the bride at the wedding feast and the robes worn by the guests are different.[5] It was said that the marriage of the Lamb has come when the Son came even to the earth to judge the beast forces. Therefore, the wedding feast will be held in the 1000-year kingdom after judging the beast forces and imprisoning Satan in the abyss. In other words, it means that the wedding banquet will take place only after the 70-weeks are over.[6] Only the bride wearing fine linen will be able to participate in the heavenly army. The bride is clothed with fine linen. The bright clean fine linen worn by the bride and the white clean fine linen worn by the heavenly army may symbolize the same clothes, the body of resurrection, the spiritual body. However, some or most of the martyr witnesses, including the great multitude in white robes, may not be the bride, even if they are resurrected or transformed. Even if both the bride and the guests wear the spiritual body, the spiritual body worn by the bride will be different from the spiritual body worn by the guests. The guests will include the great multitude in white robes, and their white robes will be different from the white clean fine linen worn by the bride. It means that there will be grades even in the same spiritual bodies that were resurrected or transformed. |
The great multitude which no one can number, are also martyr witnesses who will enter the new Jerusalem through the 1st resurrection.[7] New Jerusalem is a city that only the bride, the royal[8] priests[9] can enter.[10] Therefore, the great multitude in white robes cannot be regarded as guests at the wedding feast. These who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb, are the bride. It is not thought that the same bride wear different clothes. The white robe worn by the great multitude which no one can number, and the bright clean fine linen worn by the bride may be the same spiritual body without any difference or grade. All the martyr witnesses, including the 144000 and the great multitude in white robes, are the bride and will follow in the footsteps of the Son as the heavenly army. The white robes worn by the great multitude and the bright clean fine linen worn by the bride may mean the same body of resurrection, the spiritual body. Although there may be grades in the rewards in the 1000-year kingdom[11], there may be no difference in the spirutual body itself.[12] Even if there are grades in the rewards, all of the martyr witnesses who are resurrected or transformed will be the bride. Although there may be grades in the glory of each spiritual body[13], it means that it will not be grades due to the differences in the spirutual bodies themselves. After the time of reward is over, everyone becomes equal. Angels and resurrected saints who became like angels will rest forever in God.[14] The reward time has already finished, can the glory be different? So, what is the meaning of reward time? |
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| 1Cor.15:38 But God gives it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own. 1Cor.15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 1Cor.15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial differs from that of the terrestrial. 1Cor.15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. 1Cor.15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 1Cor.15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is also a spiritual body. |
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| Just as the glory of the stars are different, the glory of the spiritual bodies will also be different. The glory of the spiritual body worn by the bride and the spiritual body worn by the guests will also be different. This means that there will be grades. The more loyalty we give, the more glory we will receive.[15] The more loyalty we give, the more glorious body we will receive. It makes no sense to say that the sufferings we had to go through for the LORD Jesus are different but the glory is the same. Therefore, the reward to be received in the 1000-year kingdom will obviously be different. And the difference of the grade may be revealed in the glory of the spiritual body that will be clothed with. |
These words do not mean that there are grades between the spiritual bodies, but rather the difference between the natural body and the spiritual body, that is, the soulish body and the spiritual body. This is to explain the fact that, just as there is a difference in glory between the body of a human and the body of an animal, there is a difference in the glory of a soulish body and a spiritual body. These words do not mean that there are grades between the resurrected bodies, that is, spiritual bodies. Because human is more precious than animals, we honor the human body more than that of the animal, but among equally precious people we do not value one who is said to be healthier than another. However, there are certainly classes among people, and the glory that each person emits is different according to the ranks. As such, even if the reward may be different, there will be no difference in the spiritual body itself. Even after the reward period is over, they are probably still in an angel-like state[16], that is, they are in a state of being clothed with the spiritual body.[17] The magnitude of the glory is determined by the reward[18], so the glory still cannot be different even after 1000 years of receiving the reward. Would the perfect spiritual body becomes incomplete when the 1000 year reward is over? Even if there are grades in the glory according to the reward, there will be no difference in the spiritual body itself. |
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| Rev.6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had. Rev.6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, Master, the holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Rev.6:11 A long white robe was given them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, completed their course. |
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| There may be the bride among the martyr witnesses, but not all martyr witnesses are the bride. Since the martyr witnesses might have put on the spiritual body, all the martyr witnesses could enter new Jerusalem, but not all of them may be the bride. Only those in fine linen may be the bride. The fine linen worn by the bride may not simply be the righteous acts. Just because they are martyr witnesses who gave their lives for the love of the LORD Jesus, it cannot be said that all of their deeds will meet the criteria for becoming the bride. |
The word for the white robe given to the martyr witnesses in Revelation 6 and the white robe worn by a great multitude that no one can number in Revelation 7[19] is the same as 'lyookos stolay'. Therefore, the great multitude who passed through the tribulation of the 70th week[20] and wore white robes, that is, the spiritual bodies, may also be martyr witnesses. As martyr witnesses, it is natural for them to be able to enter new Jerusalem.[21] New Jerusalem is the bride.[22] It means that the martyr witnesses are the bride. Therefore, the fine linen worn by the bride[23] and white robes worn by the martyr witnesses may be the same spiritual body, so there may be no difference in the spiritual body. The fine linen is the righteous acts. If the martyr witnesses could not put on the righteous acts, who could wear them? | ||||
| Rev.3:4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that did not defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. Rev.3:5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. |
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| The martyr witnesses, the victors, will enter the city of new Jerusalem. Most of these will be dressed in white robes, but not all will be clothed in fine linen, the righteous acts worthy of being the bride. Just as the 144000 and the great multitude in white robes are different people[24], so may the bride and the martyr witnesses be different people. Of all the martyr witnesses, including the 144000, the bride may be a part. Salvation is not determined by works, but rewards are determined by works. Becoming the bride may be the highest reward the saved can get. |
The white robe is worn by the victor. The names of the victors are written in the book of life. Those who overcome the beasts are also victors. Those whose names are written in the book of life, do not worship the beast.[25] The white robe worn by the victor is also expressed in the white robe worn by the martyr witnesses in Revelation 6, the white robe worn by the great multitude in Revelation 7, and the bright clean fine linen worn by the bride in Revelation 19, all symbolizing spiritual body. Those whose names are written in the book of life, are those who will enter new Jerusalem, the bride.[26] It cannot be said that those who are clothed with the white robes and enter the city of new Jerusalem, are not the bride. |
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| I agree with this view | |||||
[1] 1Cor.15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is also a spiritual body.
[2] Rev.21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues came, and he spoke with me, saying, "Come here. I will show you the wife, the Lamb's bride." He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
[3] Rev.20:5 The rest of the dead didn't live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
[4] Rev.22:2 in the midst of its street. On this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruits, yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. There will be no curse any more. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants serve him.
[5] Matt.22:12 and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here not having wedding clothing?' He was speechless.
[6] Dan.12:1 "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who stands for the children of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who shall be found written in the book.
Matt.24:21 for then will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
[7] Rev.7:16 They will never be hungry, neither thirsty any more; neither will the sun beat on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shepherds them, and leads them to living springs of waters. God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
[8] Rev.21:24 The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.
[9] Rev.20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
[10] Rev.21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues came, and he spoke with me, saying, "Come here. I will show you the wife, the Lamb's bride." He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
[11] Luke19:17 "He said to him, 'Well done, you good servant! Because you were found faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.' "The second came, saying, 'Your mina, Lord, has made five minas.' "He said to him also, 'You also are to be over five cities.'
[12] Luke20:35 But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage. For neither can they die any more, for they are like the angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
[13] Rom.8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.
[14] 1Cor.15:28 When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
[15] Rom.8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.
[16] Mark12:25 For when they will rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
[17] Rev.20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
[18] Luke19:17 "He said to him, 'Well done, you good servant! Because you were found faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.' "The second came, saying, 'Your mina, Lord, has made five minas.' "He said to him also, 'You also are to be over five cities.'
[19] Rev.7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
[20] Rev.7:13 One of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and where did they come from?" I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great oppression. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood.
[21] Rev.7:17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shepherds them, and leads them to living springs of waters. God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
[22] Rev.21:2 I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband.
[23] Rev.19:7 Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and let us give the glory to him. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready." It was given to her that she would array herself in bright, pure, fine linen: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
[24] Rev.7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, Of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
[25] Rev.13:7 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.
[26] Rev.21:27 There will in no way enter into it anything profane, or one who causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.https://youtu.be/AupisuARmgQ?feature=shared